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28 Ekim 2013 Pazartesi
25 Ekim 2013 Cuma
Google Trafik Tahmincisi hizmeti API numaraları giderir
Üç ay önce biz Google AdWords API Trafik Tahmincisi rakamlar kapalı olduğunu bildirdi. O zamandan beri çok şey değişti ama onlar o rakamları stabilize etmek ve onları daha doğru hale getirmek yardımcı olacaktır değişiklikler yaptınız Google duyurdu. Google Gruplar iplik AdWords API Danışmanı söyleyerek bir post vardır: bir kaç ay önce getirilen sorunu takip etmek istedim. Mühendislik ekibi, son zamanlarda bazı millet ile ilgili birçok istek boyunca çok çeşitli "dikenli" sonuçları rapor edildi sorunları gidermek Trafik Tahmincisi hizmetine bir değişiklik yaptı.Henüz sayıları sabit AdWords API kullanıcıların herhangi bir onay ve doğru olarak seyir olmuştur.Google Gruplar Forum tartışma.
AdWords daha alakalı reklam uzantıları ve FormatsYahoo gösteren şimdi Microsoft Search Rollout yavaş istedim
Nasıl bir Web sitesinin yükleme süresini azaltmak için özel olarak e-ticaret sitesi.Gerek yeni PR1 + Auto, otomobil & arabalar ile ilgili siteler
AdWords daha alakalı reklam uzantıları ve FormatsYahoo gösteren şimdi Microsoft Search Rollout yavaş istedim
Nasıl bir Web sitesinin yükleme süresini azaltmak için özel olarak e-ticaret sitesi.Gerek yeni PR1 + Auto, otomobil & arabalar ile ilgili siteler
21 Ekim 2013 Pazartesi
Neden Google Reklam ?
Reklamın ve teknolojiye bağlı olarak internet reklamlarının gerekliliğinin nedenlerini belirttik. Birçok reklam kanalı seçeneğimiz olduğu gibi bu reklam kanallarından biri olan internette de reklam vermek için birçok seçeneğimiz var. Tabi ki görüntülü ve arama ağı reklamcılığın başını çeken internetin devi Google.
Bir reklam kanalı olarak Google?ı tercih etmenizin en temel sebebi, kullanıcı kitlesinin çok geniş olmasıdır. Arama alanındaki reklamlardan örnek verecek olursak şöyle açıklayabiliriz;
Türkiye de bir kullanıcı, internet üzerinden bir konu veya marka hakkında arama ve sorgulama yapmak istediğinde, gideceği ilk arama motoru Google oluyor. Türkiye?deki internet kullanıcılarının %97si bir arama yaparken Google arama motorunu kullanıyor. Bu eksende bakacak olursak farklı bir arama motoruna reklam vermek biraz anlamsız kalıyor. Tabi ki internet reklamlarının temelinin, tıklama başına maliyet ödeme hesaplarına dayanmasından dolayı Google ile birlikte diğer arama motorlarına da reklam vermeniz yararınıza olacaktır fakat Google reklam larının bir ihtiyaç haline geldiğini unutmamak da fayda var.
19 Ekim 2013 Cumartesi
Web Directory Submission tehlike: Analiz dizinleri % 20 gösterir cezalandırılmış/yasaklandı
A word of caution to new SEOs. A bunch of folks are going to rapidly submit thier site to every SEO directory on this list NOT banned or penalized.
Good call - I had a look through the list and to be honest there is a bit of a mix (omitting the already flagged results) of good and poor directories. Completely agree that its important to do your research before submitting to a whole bunch.
All good points Cyrus. I would suggest to stay away from directories which contain the words: seo, link, dofollow, pr, rank, URL and free or whose names contain more than one hyphen (like free-link-directory) or several numbers (like 921directory) irrespective of their DA/PA metrics. Such directories acquire high DA by running their own network of directories and are generally spam websites as just by reading their names you can figure out why they have been set up. These websites are either already penalized or are in the waiting list.
The only thing directories will help with imo is domain diversification. So Id only use quality ones (using gut feel as much as anything) and use them sparingly.
When link building it helps to have that plus info if and when the domain name expired. Too many directories sprung up over the past 3-4 years that where nothing more than expired directries with little to no value.
First off, 20% seems to be about the statistical norm from what we have seen over the years when it comes to directories. Im not seeing anything any different than we saw 4 or 5 years ago. Well other than people feeling incredibly self righteous about it.
There are days where I really wonder how people define ethical behavior, or what is acceptable not acceptable. It always seems to be that most people define it as anything done before I ever got involved.
Reciprocal links? (something google actually told us was okay and something you should do) Putting a link back to your website on a theme or template or website you designed?
Directories are no different. At one point in time it was aceptable, and common, to make them a fair part of a websites link building strategy. If directories are no longer en vogue, or a search engine has decided to reclassify them as not worth the effort, fine, we learn from that and move forward. But we do not point to that and go back a decade or more in many cases, and declare the people that did that evil black hats or unethical, or even misguided.
When you do that the next thing you know what you are doing today will get the same treatment and the next generation will be pointing at you and talking about your ethics.
And before people start jumping down my throat, I said "fair" part. I did not say 30,000 links from random directories all over the world, but a fair part of an over all link strategy.
I may just be getting old, but Im getting tired of people taking every change and evolution as a reason to attack anyone and anything that came before them.
I agree - theres no point in calling people out as black hat for practices that used to be just fine/very common but have now been devalued. I dont think Kurtis is calling anyone evil or black hats or evil black hats in this post - just pointing out a trend weve noticed that seems to indicate that directory links (especially links from directories with little to now curation or barrier to entry i.e. user value) are becoming less effective and might be a tactic SEOs want to abandon going forward.
Ruth, my comment wasnt directed so much at the post itself, but rather all the dripping fanboys posting in the comments. Id wager that if they survive in this industry another 3 or 4 years there will posts about the things they are doing now being awful low quality black hat tactics. ;)
Its time for SEOs to go back and "check their work"! Im sure there are a few of us who might be guilty of lazy link building by submitting to mass or too many directories.
Or most of the time it is not going back to check your work it is to go back to check some work carried out by another "SEO" company years ago.
My least favorite thing to hear when Im talking with a potential client is "we used this SEO firm out of India for a year because it was cheaper..." I just know that Im going to have to really dig through their link portfolio and get rid of all the links that company got for them. Not particularly fun, but essential!
Agree with you Sajeet. Hate to see Indian #SEOs are being known as spammers though we add a lot of value to the community. Who is the head of search team at google? - Amit Singhal, he is an Indian, people have to realise such great Indian personalities who are adding value to the Online world..
You will hate to hear wise words from another Indian. Has anyone heard of Purchasing power parity, in laymans term, the buying power of money??? It is 300% higher in India. (Google it, to confirm). that means that what you can buy for £3 in the UK can be bought for £1 in India. Not because of cheap quality, but because of strong economy.
I have worked with some very good Indian SEOs in the past, one was actually employed by Google so he was quality. But in the end of the day you get what you pay for if you see 10,000 "Quality" links on Fiverr, its probably not going to be good now is it.
Such links work fine but you have to get as much diversity in your link profile as you can - thats the point... 100 or 100k links its doesnt matter.
There are expensive and cheap SEO services everywhere you look, as well as a huge range in quality. We cant assume that a US company is going to do it right, no matter what the cost. We cant assume an Indian company is going to do it wrong, no matter the cost.
As marketers and business owners we need to watch closely all of the SEO services conducted on our behalf no matter who weve hired and where they live.
Ah man! That must be the worst. If only those companies specialized in creative content creation and distribution + digital networking to facilitate links... but instead, theyre specialty is crappy link building!
Ah man! That must be the worst. If only those companies specialized in creative content creation and distribution + digital networking to facilitate links... but instead, theyre specialty is crappy link building!
You should be able to contact the owner of the directory and ask that they be taken down - sometimes this can take a while, especially if the directory isnt very active, but its worth asking. This can sometimes be more effective if you have access to the original email account and other information used to create the listing in the first place. Its hard to get them 100% taken down, but you should be able to make a dent.
First things first, we started lookng into this (testing 1000+ directories) and have checked the list again each week. Originally there was a mix of sites not indexed between 5-15% depending on the PR levels. That didnt change the in the second week, so there is no active de-indexing going on. Details here
That brought up the next obvious question; which of those were de-indexed before this story broke? We have no idea. Thats what is important here. There is no evidence that ongoing de-indexing of Directories is happening.
The statement here over "we wont be checking them for a while" is a bit problematic. We are running the same list each week to ensure there is something happening.
But, that being said, weve seen a response to a recon request where Google actually highlighted some links the webmaster should remove, in there 4 of the 5 links highlighted were directories. This is the REAL story and is a serious issue. Well be publishing some thoughts on this early next week. Stay tuned.
I too am not convinced that Google has taken the axe to all of these directories. It has been my experience that a significant number of directories have a short "shelf life". That is they come and go fairly quickly without any intervention by Google.
If only the research could tell us which directories have actually been de-indexed or just crawled off and died on their own. I wish I had some ideas about how to do this, but I dont.
Agreed – It’s difficult to say which Directories had been de-indexed before we caught wind of an update, and there is no evidence of an ongoing de-indexing of Directories by Google.
Im glad you posted. The entire crux of this research is massively flawed based on the fact that no one really knows the indexation %s prior to Penguin or Panda. Based on that one fact alone there is no evidence that ongoing de-indexing of directories is happening.
Those of us that have been in the industry longer than 5 minutes are still patently aware that in the aftermath to Google hammering blogs and directories in October 2007 during the whole Paid Links/PR Selling sting, that many directories simply never recovered. Some did (like Aviva) after going through and manually removing many things which were identified as a problem at the time.
Even closer still was the MayDay update in 2010 which affected the ability of many directories to get sparsely contented pages indexed, or "like" pages indexed. So any category or sub-category that was light-on and in many cases a lot of the details pages which were really quite content farm-ish as they are auto-created and add no extra value beyond the category listings (unless the directory owners put some time and effort in).
Fair point & one that I would agree with in principle. However, directories serving niche topics or local areas with large amounts of rich editorial content serve a useful purpose, in my view. Their time is fast running out, though.
Fair point & one that I would agree with in principle. However, directories serving niche topics or local areas with large amounts of rich editorial content serve a useful purpose, in my view. Their time is fast running out, though.
Would I be correct in assuming you are also very new to the directory scene? On this particular discussion you have come fairly late to the party. Granted youve referenced the recent discussion initiated by Barry Schwartz, but this has already been convincingly debunked by both his colleague Terry Van Horne and myself.
With all due respect, I think you began your research here in the worst possible way. Youve attempted to lump "all" directories together, and despite SEOs saying for years that people should only submit to quality directories, it seems that those same SEOs never follow their own advice and couldnt identify a good directory if they tripped over it.
The lists youve posted are a mish mash of some of the worst cookie cutter directories going. Cmon! the .infos themselves are a dead giveaway, but even the simplest investigation will reveal the easy-to-spot weaker end of the spectrum (think vanilla/default templates and duplicate/clone/network directories).
To put it plainly there isnt 2,678 directories worth submitting to. So what should have happened is to narrow whatever list you started with down to a quality (lets call that editorial based) standard and then you start from there. Heres one quick way to knock out about 1500 directories straight off the bat:
The Flower Test: Type the word flower into the search box on a directory. Check out the results. When you see an entire page of flower sites, all with the exact same description (except a city change, usually indian), you can bet your bottom dollar there aint any editing happening. What youll also then notice is the pagination down the bottom. Itll be something like [22]. Yup, 22 pages of almost exact duplicate spam. Youll see this on literally thousands of directories. These are what we consider NOT to be directories.
Because this article hasnt done something like that, the research is massively flawed. I would expect Google to be de-indexing sources of massive spam. Just because they use a directory script, and call themselves a directory, doesnt mean those of us in the industry consider them a directory, even if SEOs seem fooled by it.
On any given day on a forum like Digitalpoint, you can see half a dozen, to several hundred "directories" being announced. I saw a thread this week where someone posted 111 "directories". All using the same script, template, and similar domain-name style (they were actually not too bad the names so probably a good way to fool people) and all with zero content. Those get added to just about every directory list out there, and end up in SEOs workpiles - and its that practice which people should consider dangerous.
On a monthly basis I can work through around 500 directories and literally square it to about 10-15 in 5 seconds flat. From there those 10-15 would take further investigation after which you might be left with 2-3. To put that in perspective our list has added just 4 general free directories for 2012. Yes, just 4. Thats how few real ones there are being generated.
The thing about websites is that even those developed with the best intentions can disappear. Some of the best directories in terms of content, design and value have dropped off the radar over time because the owner has given up or chose to go in another direction in life.
What I would hope, from threads like this, is that people realise the value of the directory lists who work hard to maintain a quality database of listings --- rather than the multitude who rely simply on quantity. When supporting those lists it helps to identify any dead wood, changes or to announce any gems that you may have found.
I would hope too, that those same people respect the directories listed and submit to them in a way that improves upon their content and helps them to remain viable. Its the spamming element of the industry (largely due to shady SEO techniques) that ruins it for the rest of us.
A really interesting read! In my opinion, anyone that manages to get the word "nomenclature" into a blog post is an absolute hero. Congrats.
It was only a matter of time before this started to happen - Ive always been flummoxed by the existence of 99% of the web directories I find. The concept that the highest ranking site can be influenced by the amount of time someone goes round filling their information in on directory sites that will never actually be used by anyone other than SEOs is ridiculous, and completely contradicts Googles quest for relevancy.
I think after Googles Panda and Penguin Update, there will be one more algorithmic update which will focus on Directories which are used only for dofollow links and will not add any value to normal users. :)
So one more typical way of link building is going to die in near future. I guess inbound marketing will be only option for link building after few years. Basic intention of Google is, you should acquire the links by your Excellency, dont build it in easy way.
This is indeed a wakeup signal for those who are still selling the cheep directory submission services that their time is over now they have a choice to change or die!... at the same time this is the time for a customer/client to see what he is buying…
I still see many people asking for quantity of links and all, what they need to consider is quality is all that matters and this short term cheep game is not going to take them too far, especially when the Google animals are out of their cages.
Another example of Google taking a dump on small business and startups. Its a catch 22 that new sites wont get noticed without links and wont get links until they are noticed. Directories have been a great way for new websites to get some links and climb the ranks to get seen. Im sure in Googles world every link would be a well deserved editorial link, those may be easy for well known brands with a PR team but your every day small business only has a few options and those are getting smaller with each Google update.
But this is good for Google right? Havent they just managed to monetise the long tail keywords and make SEO so hard for small businesses and startups that their best way of competing is by buying adwords?
flashbangwhizz - small businesses can compete in the rankings by following ethical tactics such as writing good content, engaging in social media, guest blogging etc - it just takes more effort but is effective and, more importantly, sustainable. I have a number of clients who are proof of just that. Directories are far from the only places to get links.
You might want to read a post "Does An Ethical Approach to SEO Really Work?" http://www.webtrafficroi.com/does-an-ethical-approach-to-seo-really-work - the answer is Yes
But I am still wondering why we are still running behind these directories links… Google is smart enough to detect which links are belongs from what category, is links are from Directories (non content spam) or they belongs to forum or blog comments links. These links are easily caught able. So we must move on forget about these directory links and try to build share/link able content that will eventually lead us to lots of links without any link building effort.
In my opinion the era of cheep linking or cheap SEO is over and now we must think like a true marketer instead of trying to game with Google.
Google is probably just de-valuing the links coming from these banned or penalised directories, otherwise companies will start buying directory link packages for competitors. I havent seen a successful spam-link-bombing and I do hope it wont work with the upcoming Panda and Penguin updates.
Thats my sense of it as well, Gyorgy - having links from these directories probably wont in and of itself get you penalized, theyre just not passing juice anymore.
Nice post, I apreciate the analysis. The thing is but most of the low quality stuff will get deindxed, my guess is that some directories have also been hit hard for selling links on mass, I see this a fair bit.
Really interesting data which is further confirmation (not that any was needed) of Googles relentless assault on spam and its continuing fight to improve search quality.
At first sight, this looks like bad news for directories generally. It has to be bad news for the lower quality ones. But actually, I believe it could conceivably be good news for the better quality directories.
I think the most likely outcome is that the average quality of directories will be raised by a Darwinian survival of the fittest selection process (being a cull by Google).
As Cyrus mentioned though... Dont jump the boat & submit to every one of these unless you have a well-rounded, robust linking strategy ongoing.
Moderation and careful selection appear to be the key. Keep it as a small part of a larger strategy and I think it can add incremental value.
Im still not convinced that they will play any part in the next two years as the world has moved on. As someone pointed out below the web removed the requirement for a directory, which only ever was the one place you could find a comprehensive list of suppliers for what you were looking for.
But if people want to continue to use them then the rule must be to think like an old time Marketer (that’ll be me then...) and ask yourself, if this was in print would I pay good money, either mine or the clients, to appear in it? Would it bring leads and business? Is it relevant? Do my potential customers use it? Would it drive an ROI? Would I be likely to renew it? And finally are there better sources for driving leads?
OK, so we were probably all guilty of it a few years back, but that was a completely different era, SEOs still mass building directory links should have a serious think about what they are doing.
I am one of those that use the correct techniques to get sites noticed. Unique articles, directory submissions that are actually related to the sector I am working in, social media posts that again are correctly targeted.
My problem is that I am penalised by those out there that spam the directory sites and submit shockingly soun articles that make no sense what so ever!
Isnt it time we actually started to work with Google rather than try and bypass that algo??? Im not sure, but what I do know is that as long as Google can see that I am doing good work I hope they will reward me.........or am I just being too optimistic?!
What an awesome little analysis Kurt. Thats a great trick to finding out which directories have gotten penalties by the recent Google updates, and which ones have weathered the storm. I actually tried your method today when analyzing two link profiles of competitors in the same vertical, and it worked phenomenally. Also to echo what another "Mozzer" commented up there, digging through the profile to find any directories with "Free/Links/PageRank/etc" is a good start to remove some damaging links (even if they were from a previous SEO :p )
Great Job... Kurtis .. Hope the same from you in future. as very helpful information.
Good work. This kind of data driven research is really helpful. I also like to thank Cyrus for his good advice.
My French Article directory website have been penalized by Google on 20th of May. I changed the Three link with seo anchor to nofollow and i left only one link in dofollow with no SEO anchor... and since a week i made a 301 redirection to a new sub-domain = I come back in the SERPs in my best position :)
This is some solid info. I think it shows the importance of balancing your link building efforts to include multiple channels and not just going for the low hanging fruit. I guess its time to take the advise of all those math teachers and double check my work. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
This is some solid info. I think it shows the importance of balancing your link building efforts to include multiple channels and not just going for the low hanging fruit. I guess its time to take the advise of all those math teachers and double check my work. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
I am still wondering why we need to submit on these kind of directories even if they are indexed ?!? what sort of values they carry?!!? we have stopped Directory Submission Completely .. Instead of that We only submit our customer sites on Business Directory / Classfieds & Review Sites.. it is meaning less to spend $ on 5000 Submission instead of that we try to create muliple social signals which may overtake directory links somehow..
I did somewhat same research for my clients some 15 days back. Instead of considering any directory list , I checked my clients baclinks & used them as list. I marked down penlaised websites the same way you did. Now I have forwarded that to my link building team to remove those marked links, but I am not sure how successful link removal task will be.
As mentioned by James, submit to only high quality directories like Yahoo or Dmoz, but as always be diverse in your link building and not just stick to submitting links.
Kurtis, Excellent research but sometimes if site is new and that PA, DA not updated then? Second first two point checking is must i.e, site: and site shows with there domain name.
You take 2600 poor quality websites and what do you expect to find, directories are not directories they will get banned or removed. Sounds like Google is simply doing what it is supposed to do. Saying it is just directories seem a bit ignorant to me and harmful to quality directories that are certainly not penalized.
It is common that more than 10% directories are closed in a year as site owner has problems like funds, server issues or un viable project
The post makes a great point and one that I find many small businesses (and probably large) simply dont understand. I have a couple of clients I found out were submitting to directories in their spare time. Its cringe-worthy.
Great Post. Thank you very much for sharing such a wonderful post. Its certainly an eye opener. Love that list of spammed/de-indexed directories.
I think it is best to register only for the highest quality directories and then focus efforts on other places so that you have link diversity. I think the key is to have link diversity and make sure you are not registering for a low quality directory.
Thanks for the informative posts. There was a couple of surprises (like Pegasus directory) but overall it seems very similar to the last 4-5 years. There are definitely crappy directories out there but I do not believe taht 20% of them are banned or penalized
While trying to figure out whether a directory has been penalized or not, do not rely 100 percent on title tag search since there are reasons for the directory not being displayed in the top of search results without its being penalized.
1. There is a site other than the directory in question having the same html title tag (100 %) and is stronger by any other metrics Google deems to be relevant.
2. There is a site other than the directory in question having pretty much similar html title tag (80-90 %, meaning that the tag contains the same words but not limited to them) and is MUCH stronger than the directory by appropriate Google metrics.
3. There is a site other than the directory in question having somewhat similar tag (50 % similarity, meaning all the words that the search query contains are present in this title but in a different order; the title not being limited to these words), in this case a document that beats the directory in the search results should really be A WAY-WAY STRONGER by Google metrics.
What it all boils down to is use the title tag test depending on how generic the words in the title are. I do not know whether there are different levels of site being penalized, but I have witnessed sites not popping out in the first ten results (though they still were in the index) even performing a search query consisting of the exact domain of a site. Thats what I call "penalized"!
Great information! This is exactly the type of knowledge that an active SEOer needs to not waste time on. We all know that SEO work is already very time consuming, so anything that helps us not bark up the wrong tree is great. Affordable SEO plans require the best knowledge, thanks SEOmoz for helping me keep my costs down!
I have spent a lot of time looking for quality directories to list my business also. One useful source is directorycritic.com, though you want to try to get the ones with the best page rank. Does anyone know of some better sources?
I was added in the directory from past two months but I have not read this article till today.But after the study of this article, I am literally shocked and now for my seo submissions , i am using all your strategies to check the penalized or blocked websites before submit in to it. I found here very very important info to maintain my websites. Two of my websites has lost their rankings in the search engines So I think may be due to this?Anyways Thanks for such awesome info:) but Sir I need one more help from you that shall i check the available backlinks of website and remove from there.
I am so lost with Googles rules. So we need backlinks to improve page visibility, but websites can not list paid links - or appear as paid links - to pass link juice. Some directories require payment, which should then use the rel=nofollow, which defeats the purpose of paying to appear in the directory.Most directories I and I am sure others list their websites in only for the purpose of building up backlinks. As a user I rarely visit directories, and assume a bulk of websites receive minimal amounts of traffic from the free directories.I understand Googles efforts since previously anyone with the money to create as many backlinks and/or links from high page rank websites as possible could have a higher page rank. This may also cause all the unnecessary or non-innovated websites to disappear. However, all this seems like it is leading to push Google Adwords being the only source to legally advertise your links.
I am a newbie and I came to this thread while searching directories. I am feeling a little horrified by the thread with the thought that the information may apply to my new search engine submission website. I just bought the website and it will be transferred to me tomorrow :
I performed a simple "quotation" search on the website you recently purchased, and it doesnt look like it has been penalized or banned. Keep in mind that directories with a clear niche or ones that have a very active moderator are far more likely to have value.
I have a directory submission service http://www.LinkDirectorySubmissions.com . I have been reading in blogs if there is a real benefit submitting to link directories. I want to be sure that my clients get the best SEO results I can give them and this issue really concerns me. I have removed the banned/penalized directories you show on the list from my database, thanks for posting the list. All the directories in my database are free submissions and my program does not mass submit. A website profile is created by the user and the system loads each directory page-by-page and the user skips or submits to the them.My question is if the system I have in place would be beneficial for search engine optimization still?
I read articles like these and I agree, it would make sense to consider many directories spam but I still see websites with high rankings that are submitted to a bunch of directories. I think it is more that the results are not as great or that there are significant, diminishing returns. At least with the industries I work with, directories appear to be viable just expensive.
Thanks for the useful article i think i make a blunder to submitting website to directories now first check some directories before submitting. I think Seo Quake Tools help us to find better directories because seo quake tools shows lot of detail and we easily see that those directories are index or not. Am i right.
I dont think submissions are in any danger as long as you have strict parameters to judge the directories: to see if they are indexed, they dot belong to the same ip address also the links shouldnt have a rel=nofollow tag on them, shouldnt be a META nofollow or noindex tag on the link pages and so on...
I wish Google would just wipe out the directories they find manipulative, en masse. Im sure manys the innocent website owner has submitted to an SEO focussed directory, or 50, quite simply because they didnt know any better.
Also, re: directory suggestions mentioned above. If a website owner submitted to a directory which was subsequently penalised, where would the liability be exactly?
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Forgive me if I missed the answer. can anyone please answer this question.....If you submit articles to article directories for link building...Are they now considered SPAM???THANKS!!!
It depends on the directory. In general I would say that submitting articles to article directories is not a tactic thats going to be worth the time and risk involved. There are a ton of more-productive ways to get links to your site - and theyll be the type of links that people actually see and click, as opposed to just links for links sake. I recommend Mike Kings post The Noobs Guide to Link Building for some great tips: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-noob-guide-to-link-building Hope that helps!
Hmm - Well, I kind of always thought this would happen. Ive used directories on addurl.nu before, and theyve always been pretty awesome. But directory submission was always about 5% of it all. The rest was all the right stuff! Im much more interested these days in building relationships + awesome content to facilitate powerful links from authoritative web properties.
Hmm - Well, I kind of always thought this would happen. Ive used directories on addurl.nu before, and theyve always been pretty awesome. But directory submission was always about 5% of it all. The rest was all the right stuff! Im much more interested these days in building relationships + awesome content to facilitate powerful links from authoritative web properties.
I apreciate the research.befour panda update all people are doing Directry submission but after Googles Panda and Penguin Update every body have one question Directory submission Danger or not ? please give me suggestion......
I would avoid submitting to directories as a link building technique. If you believe that people might use the directory to find and use your site, that is a better reason to submit to directories. If the directory is high quality, curated by people, and useful to users, it will probably still be OK to submit - but make sure directories arent the only place youre getting links.
Formadan, the point is, you should not HAVE to. If a search engine wants to devalue the links from sites like that, they can. But to tell webmasters that they must actively go out and have those links removed to improve their ranking and link profile is the tipping point for negative SEO.
If Google says, your site will not recover until you remove these links over here, I, or anyone, can easily make it so you "NEVER" recover by going out and making more of those links for you without your knowledge or consent. As long as we make them faster than you can remove them, you lose.
It is easy enough for a search engine to saimply say this particular link style, directories, footers, blog rolls, in content, inforgrahic, widget, guest blogging, article sharing, anything, is no longer something that will help your website from this point forward. And from there we have a new guideline and we move forward knowing that some past effort is now devalued and that same effort in the future will never help. But asking webmasters to fix the algo by making them go out and remove links from the internet is simply silly.
"...asking webmasters to fix the algo by making them go out and remove links from the internet is simply silly."Not to mention, often difficult to accomplish. Especially if youre trying to do so faster than some asshat can throw them at you.
I have to heartily agree with the sentiment that just saying they are heavily (or even totally) devalued will be enough to make the problem go away. To me, that makes even more sense than giving webmasters a way to request that Google ignore specific links... which would, I suspect, add a significant human workload to Googles plate.
I dont think removing directory links is necessary as long as theyre part of a reasonable mix of other link types - if all of your links are from directories, a.) that sends a pretty clear signal to Google that youre not acquiring natural links from other sources, which they encourage and b.) when they stop working, youre out of luck. You havent been penalized as such, its just that everything you were doing stopped working.
Rather than stressing out about removing every link youve ever placed in a directory, I would focus that same time and energy into improving your site and building new, high-quality links. The possibility for negative SEO is too high for Google to simply ignore - theyll have to adapt their policy/algorithm to discount rather than penalize for a certain amount of low-quality links as long as everything else looks fine. I dont work at Google so I cant say thats a proven fact, but its just common sense.
Now days every seo team should spend more time on research like you did here. Instead of blind submissions, spend times on creating quality contents which will be shared, liked by many people.
You have done a great work. We are working on the articles sites and preparing a list of quality sites after the updates. The stpes are same as you have applied for this bunch of directories, but a bit more steps we have added. like:
After all, we believe in a great content creation by putting our all effort instead of searching sites to submission. Distribution of the content in a proper place will give you huge amount of visitors and some quality back links. A great example: Like you created this content, go to your analytic today you will find a healthy amount of visitors today.
Good News for White hats SEO’s. All black hats SEO are banned to one more time for the site of Google Penguin. If you are hits any directories to checkout it’s relevant or irreverent. It’s come to another Googles Panda and Penguin updates to find out the use bad directories. Be careful to use directories.
Sorry for the beginner question but does it matter if my site has been submitted to 2500 directories and then 500 of those get either banned or penalized? Then do I still have 2000 valid links left? Can the links from the banned or penalized directories hurt my site? (If so, then Google has opened the door to snadbagging your competitors by simply submitting their URL to these free banned/penalized directories).
I dont think they will hurt your site per se but they just wont pass any juice onto your site. Dont go nuts removing links, just work on building some high quality links from relevent sites, from my experience a good PR6+ link is worth about 100 PR2 links.
This is really good post about the directory submission and banned and penilized directories. Most of people will just use the list and submit the site in directory. But Now I have to check my directory list and update them. Submitting the banned directory is cause big problem to site.
I think that directory submission is still important, I see a lot of well ranking sites with the majority of their links coming from niche directories. I am not saying this is a good link building strategy but it is something to consider.
Thanks for the update! I have a question. I have a directory on Peguas Directory. I see its been banned/pentalized. Does that mean the link has just been devalued? Does this penalize my site?
One link on one banned directory probably wont make or break you. The best strategy to avoid penalties for directory links is to build a larger volume of high-quality, non-directory links - that way Google can see that the occasional bad link isnt representative of your link profile as a whole.
About time someone posted about this. I am glad I was skeptical about SeoMozs directory list. I had done my own research for one of the directories just like you did (above) and it was clearly penalized.
Do you even need that research? No offense to the site owner but seriously, just look at the front page of the site and it clearly looks amateur and it doesnt really look like a reputable directory.
I have noticed the spreadsheet has a bunch of errors in the page rank column that, when you hover on them, say "too many requests in too short a time" - if you wait for it to pull in all of the data before clicking on anything, everything should be peachy. If not, you will get an error.
Excellent Post and very well analized by you, but i thought the directories are still helpful for SEO, yeah it is right that some spamming directories penalized by Google.
www.directorywide.com is another example that appears to have been penalised. The homepage still has toolbar PR6, but all category pages have no toolbar PR, and in search the site behaves similarly to the Pegasus example above.
Does this mark the beginning of the end of the efficacy of paid directory links? There are a lot of large corporate organisations who seem to rely heavily on these high PR, pay-per-play featured directory links.
Interesting that you note this wave of deindexing/penalties appears to be manual, too - there certainly appears to be no real pattern to those that have been hit, and there are almost identical directories still untouched.
My sense of it is that this manual slap is a warning from Google that low-quality directory links are on their way out. It may just be a stopgap to start solving the problem before a more sophisticated algorithmic fix is in place.
High-quality directory listings can definitely still be useful, especially if actual real people are actually seeing them and clicking on them and then giving you money in exchange for goods and/or services. Paid directory listing in general arent going to pass much juice since its pretty obvious theyre paid.
Kurtis - apologies for causing confusion. The directory I mentioned isnt on the list you researched, but is on another list I have of directories which are known to be used by top brands for their juice giving potential.
Thanks so much for this, I will see if there are a couple of deirectories that are applicable, but I would refrain from a mass sign up, many of these look super dodgy which is my new page rank!
All of these changes are making we very worried that someone can just go and in a second get my site penalized. Google is walking a tight line IMO.
I have gone with all replies and thanks to share valuable points. I still worry if a high page rank website penalized, then how to rectify the quality directory websites. If we only use paid directories, then I dont think its worthy and impossible to manage for each website owner. So I just know that we only use high pr directories or niche directories in our portfolio and how to judge that this website is not penalized and worthy for my website?
I have gone with all replies and thanks to share valuable points. I still worry if a high page rank website penalized, then how to rectify the quality directory websites. If we only use paid directories, then I dont think its worthy and impossible to manage for each website owner. So I just know that we only use high pr directories or niche directories in our portfolio and how to judge that this website is not penalized and worthy for my website?
As Ewan mentions below, PR isnt necessarily the best way to evaluate a directory. Really you should be looking at what the most useful directories are to users. A person can pretty easily tell if a directory is built for people or just to make money. Paid-inclusion directories are not a good strategy for link building, since paid links dont pass link juice (and if they do, theyll get caught and be penalized). My rule of thumb is: if a person would use the directory and find it useful and come to your site, thats great, but dont ever submit to directories just for the link.
So...what is the verdict on the Yahoo directory, Business.com etc....OK to use? I hope so because I just applied (and was accepted) to the Yahoo directory for one of my sites.
The Yahoo directory and Business.com are fine to use, but neither should be considered a link building technique. Since they are both paid-inclusion directories, they do not pass link juice. They can still be a good way to drive traffic to your site, though.
Thanks for the pitch, it just helped me realize a couple of mistakes and idea of resolving. But please refresh Page Rank of Moz list. Cuz my run pointed about 80% filtered (no PR bar)
Its good to see these directories get penalized. If think that youre right that "directories do not provide any benefit to users".
Yes kurtis, link building is one important aspect in SEO because it is fuel of any website, but not the way you should keep doing such soirt of shady link building!
Ive seen a few comments in this thread referring to high page rank directories. I think its worth mentioning (for those to whom it isnt already obvious - so veterans, please ignore!) that it can be risky to use PR as a method of evaluation (if taken in isolation of other factors) because there are quite a few scams out there.
Ive seen directories that have home page PR6 and inner pages with PR5 that have been created overnight to make money without any genuine intent to create a useful directory.
does this mean that directory submissions are of no use these days what kind of link building strategy should a seo person implement i am talking about external links i read some where that even article site links are now of now value after penguin update
For some awesome link building tips, I recommend Mike Kings excellent blog post "The Noob Guide to Link Building," which can be found here: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-noob-guide-to-link-building
Good Analysis Kurtis, when i check my back links I also realise so many Directory and Social Bookmarking site even local Directory and business listing site with 5 or 7 PR are Penalized/Banned By GoogleWe Check Using site:www.xyz.com and no result found its Penalized
The author who has written article has used another post as reference which was published at http://www.seroundtable.com/google-directory-removal-15151.html where the author of that post has mentioned that he could not find the directory http://global-web-directory.org/ and thus has expressed his concern.
It seems that the owner of the directory has tried to find his directory the very next day of creation but could not find in Google. When he could not find that he made that post of got that post made by Barry Schwartz. Not only that, he has used this great platform for promoting this directory name I suspect.
I have checked and found that the directory http://global-web-directory.org/ has 362 indexed pages.[as on June 1, 2012, at 4:46 AM PDT]
This whole idea that web directories are "paid links" is not true for every directory out there.Yahoo is charging $299/year for a listing. BOTW isnt? Why isnt Google ban them? Because they list valuable resources.Yes, I wont submit ever my website(s) to directories where every second listed website is "the best", "premium", "leading" in his niche. Those directories yes, should be banned completely.But there are other directories that are valuable resources for their users (and search engines). Now, there is one thing people should understand. No one lives with air. Everything costs, from hosting, to marketing and development. How can someone stay in front of his PC few hours a day and "enjoy" editing titles and descriptions, check out random websites?So, that review fee... is a review fee. I mean, Ill open your website and decide if Im going to include it or not in my directory. Thats it.
Congratulation for your 1st post. and Thanks for sharing knowledgeable data. I appreciate your post. it is such a good study and research.
Now lot of directory deindex by search engine. Then how we can check the penalize directory. How search engine give the value of any Direct. ? Like I have 2 Directory directory A abd Directory B both have same PR and same panding list. Now how I selet the best directory for batter ranking.
Why Directries penalized! Bull Shit to who started penlizing directories. It make greater work. Checking one by one directries is not in my pocket. Any time any directory can be penalized. Do need to check Directory every month?
If you cant get old directory links removed, dont worry too much. Just spend some time building some high-quality non-directory links to your site. If you have directory links pointing to your site, make sure theyre a small percentage of your overall inbound links and you should be fine.
To be Honest! I am also one of them. I was never visit any Directory site to get any type of help or Info. I going to submit my data on that sites.
Hi, I represent Directory Maximizer, one of the sites mentioned out here as the source of the directory list. Id like to clarify that we do audit all our directories before theyre on our list and do check to see if theyre indexed and cached by Google. Our list can be seen here which also shows the indexed pages of each directory: http://www.directorymaximizer.com/seo-friendly-directories.php (also mentioned are the criteria we use for our directory selection).
I do agree that directories might not hold the same value as earlier. However, we offer this service because we see results when its used in conjunction with other link building methods. Example, we have seen sites with established backlink profiles ranking for terms that they "exclusively" use with directory submissions.
Anyway its just something to consider. Moreover, weve also realised that general directory submissions can only offer value up to a certain extent and thats why have begun focussing on custom sourced industry specific (niche) directories and select paid directories as well.
About the list put up, we just wanted to be sure & hence did a manual re-check & found that amongst the 195 listed directories mentioned as de-indexed, 96 were actually indexed & out of the remaining 99, 44 had issues with the site opening. More details in this Google Doc - http://bit.ly/JRMcTE. However, this is not to take away any credit from the research done above. It’s good for everyone to be aware that sites they get links from (whether they’re directories or not) can be de-indexed and hence it is important to not focus only on any one particular tactic to build links. Link diversification is important.
After going through the list (using the search methods mentioned in the post) of 195 directories that you provided, we found that 90 have been deindexed/banned, 76 have been penalized, and 27 have not been negatively impacted.
Good call - I had a look through the list and to be honest there is a bit of a mix (omitting the already flagged results) of good and poor directories. Completely agree that its important to do your research before submitting to a whole bunch.
Good call - I had a look through the list and to be honest there is a bit of a mix (omitting the already flagged results) of good and poor directories. Completely agree that its important to do your research before submitting to a whole bunch.
All good points Cyrus. I would suggest to stay away from directories which contain the words: seo, link, dofollow, pr, rank, URL and free or whose names contain more than one hyphen (like free-link-directory) or several numbers (like 921directory) irrespective of their DA/PA metrics. Such directories acquire high DA by running their own network of directories and are generally spam websites as just by reading their names you can figure out why they have been set up. These websites are either already penalized or are in the waiting list.
All good points Cyrus. I would suggest to stay away from directories which contain the words: seo, link, dofollow, pr, rank, URL and free or whose names contain more than one hyphen (like free-link-directory) or several numbers (like 921directory) irrespective of their DA/PA metrics. Such directories acquire high DA by running their own network of directories and are generally spam websites as just by reading their names you can figure out why they have been set up. These websites are either already penalized or are in the waiting list.
Cyrus - It took every effort to contain myself from posting on those above sites. LOL
The only thing directories will help with imo is domain diversification. So Id only use quality ones (using gut feel as much as anything) and use them sparingly.
At this point, i´d suggest not to go back in order to check those links but go forward designing new strategies.
When link building it helps to have that plus info if and when the domain name expired. Too many directories sprung up over the past 3-4 years that where nothing more than expired directries with little to no value.
When link building it helps to have that plus info if and when the domain name expired. Too many directories sprung up over the past 3-4 years that where nothing more than expired directries with little to no value.
First off, 20% seems to be about the statistical norm from what we have seen over the years when it comes to directories. Im not seeing anything any different than we saw 4 or 5 years ago. Well other than people feeling incredibly self righteous about it.
There are days where I really wonder how people define ethical behavior, or what is acceptable not acceptable. It always seems to be that most people define it as anything done before I ever got involved.
Reciprocal links? (something google actually told us was okay and something you should do) Putting a link back to your website on a theme or template or website you designed?
Directories are no different. At one point in time it was aceptable, and common, to make them a fair part of a websites link building strategy. If directories are no longer en vogue, or a search engine has decided to reclassify them as not worth the effort, fine, we learn from that and move forward. But we do not point to that and go back a decade or more in many cases, and declare the people that did that evil black hats or unethical, or even misguided.
When you do that the next thing you know what you are doing today will get the same treatment and the next generation will be pointing at you and talking about your ethics.
And before people start jumping down my throat, I said "fair" part. I did not say 30,000 links from random directories all over the world, but a fair part of an over all link strategy.
I may just be getting old, but Im getting tired of people taking every change and evolution as a reason to attack anyone and anything that came before them.
I agree - theres no point in calling people out as black hat for practices that used to be just fine/very common but have now been devalued. I dont think Kurtis is calling anyone evil or black hats or evil black hats in this post - just pointing out a trend weve noticed that seems to indicate that directory links (especially links from directories with little to now curation or barrier to entry i.e. user value) are becoming less effective and might be a tactic SEOs want to abandon going forward.
Ruth, my comment wasnt directed so much at the post itself, but rather all the dripping fanboys posting in the comments. Id wager that if they survive in this industry another 3 or 4 years there will posts about the things they are doing now being awful low quality black hat tactics. ;)
Ruth, my comment wasnt directed so much at the post itself, but rather all the dripping fanboys posting in the comments. Id wager that if they survive in this industry another 3 or 4 years there will posts about the things they are doing now being awful low quality black hat tactics. ;)
Its time for SEOs to go back and "check their work"! Im sure there are a few of us who might be guilty of lazy link building by submitting to mass or too many directories.
Or most of the time it is not going back to check your work it is to go back to check some work carried out by another "SEO" company years ago.
Or most of the time it is not going back to check your work it is to go back to check some work carried out by another "SEO" company years ago.
My least favorite thing to hear when Im talking with a potential client is "we used this SEO firm out of India for a year because it was cheaper..." I just know that Im going to have to really dig through their link portfolio and get rid of all the links that company got for them. Not particularly fun, but essential!
My least favorite thing to hear when Im talking with a potential client is "we used this SEO firm out of India for a year because it was cheaper..." I just know that Im going to have to really dig through their link portfolio and get rid of all the links that company got for them. Not particularly fun, but essential!
Agree with you Sajeet. Hate to see Indian #SEOs are being known as spammers though we add a lot of value to the community. Who is the head of search team at google? - Amit Singhal, he is an Indian, people have to realise such great Indian personalities who are adding value to the Online world..
Agree with you Sajeet. Hate to see Indian #SEOs are being known as spammers though we add a lot of value to the community. Who is the head of search team at google? - Amit Singhal, he is an Indian, people have to realise such great Indian personalities who are adding value to the Online world..
You will hate to hear wise words from another Indian. Has anyone heard of Purchasing power parity, in laymans term, the buying power of money??? It is 300% higher in India. (Google it, to confirm). that means that what you can buy for £3 in the UK can be bought for £1 in India. Not because of cheap quality, but because of strong economy.
I have worked with some very good Indian SEOs in the past, one was actually employed by Google so he was quality. But in the end of the day you get what you pay for if you see 10,000 "Quality" links on Fiverr, its probably not going to be good now is it.
Such links work fine but you have to get as much diversity in your link profile as you can - thats the point... 100 or 100k links its doesnt matter.
Such links work fine but you have to get as much diversity in your link profile as you can - thats the point... 100 or 100k links its doesnt matter.
There are expensive and cheap SEO services everywhere you look, as well as a huge range in quality. We cant assume that a US company is going to do it right, no matter what the cost. We cant assume an Indian company is going to do it wrong, no matter the cost.
As marketers and business owners we need to watch closely all of the SEO services conducted on our behalf no matter who weve hired and where they live.
Ah man! That must be the worst. If only those companies specialized in creative content creation and distribution + digital networking to facilitate links... but instead, theyre specialty is crappy link building!
Ah man! That must be the worst. If only those companies specialized in creative content creation and distribution + digital networking to facilitate links... but instead, theyre specialty is crappy link building!
Question: how can you remove directory listing links? is this possible?thanks
You should be able to contact the owner of the directory and ask that they be taken down - sometimes this can take a while, especially if the directory isnt very active, but its worth asking. This can sometimes be more effective if you have access to the original email account and other information used to create the listing in the first place. Its hard to get them 100% taken down, but you should be able to make a dent.
You should be able to contact the owner of the directory and ask that they be taken down - sometimes this can take a while, especially if the directory isnt very active, but its worth asking. This can sometimes be more effective if you have access to the original email account and other information used to create the listing in the first place. Its hard to get them 100% taken down, but you should be able to make a dent.
First things first, we started lookng into this (testing 1000+ directories) and have checked the list again each week. Originally there was a mix of sites not indexed between 5-15% depending on the PR levels. That didnt change the in the second week, so there is no active de-indexing going on. Details here
That brought up the next obvious question; which of those were de-indexed before this story broke? We have no idea. Thats what is important here. There is no evidence that ongoing de-indexing of Directories is happening.
The statement here over "we wont be checking them for a while" is a bit problematic. We are running the same list each week to ensure there is something happening.
But, that being said, weve seen a response to a recon request where Google actually highlighted some links the webmaster should remove, in there 4 of the 5 links highlighted were directories. This is the REAL story and is a serious issue. Well be publishing some thoughts on this early next week. Stay tuned.
I too am not convinced that Google has taken the axe to all of these directories. It has been my experience that a significant number of directories have a short "shelf life". That is they come and go fairly quickly without any intervention by Google.
If only the research could tell us which directories have actually been de-indexed or just crawled off and died on their own. I wish I had some ideas about how to do this, but I dont.
Agreed – It’s difficult to say which Directories had been de-indexed before we caught wind of an update, and there is no evidence of an ongoing de-indexing of Directories by Google.
Im glad you posted. The entire crux of this research is massively flawed based on the fact that no one really knows the indexation %s prior to Penguin or Panda. Based on that one fact alone there is no evidence that ongoing de-indexing of directories is happening.
Those of us that have been in the industry longer than 5 minutes are still patently aware that in the aftermath to Google hammering blogs and directories in October 2007 during the whole Paid Links/PR Selling sting, that many directories simply never recovered. Some did (like Aviva) after going through and manually removing many things which were identified as a problem at the time.
Even closer still was the MayDay update in 2010 which affected the ability of many directories to get sparsely contented pages indexed, or "like" pages indexed. So any category or sub-category that was light-on and in many cases a lot of the details pages which were really quite content farm-ish as they are auto-created and add no extra value beyond the category listings (unless the directory owners put some time and effort in).
Agreed. Who uses directories (to find information or interesting websites) anyway?
...and thats exactly why yell dot com are now a penny share....;-)
Fair point & one that I would agree with in principle. However, directories serving niche topics or local areas with large amounts of rich editorial content serve a useful purpose, in my view. Their time is fast running out, though.
Fair point & one that I would agree with in principle. However, directories serving niche topics or local areas with large amounts of rich editorial content serve a useful purpose, in my view. Their time is fast running out, though.
Would I be correct in assuming you are also very new to the directory scene? On this particular discussion you have come fairly late to the party. Granted youve referenced the recent discussion initiated by Barry Schwartz, but this has already been convincingly debunked by both his colleague Terry Van Horne and myself.
With all due respect, I think you began your research here in the worst possible way. Youve attempted to lump "all" directories together, and despite SEOs saying for years that people should only submit to quality directories, it seems that those same SEOs never follow their own advice and couldnt identify a good directory if they tripped over it.
The lists youve posted are a mish mash of some of the worst cookie cutter directories going. Cmon! the .infos themselves are a dead giveaway, but even the simplest investigation will reveal the easy-to-spot weaker end of the spectrum (think vanilla/default templates and duplicate/clone/network directories).
To put it plainly there isnt 2,678 directories worth submitting to. So what should have happened is to narrow whatever list you started with down to a quality (lets call that editorial based) standard and then you start from there. Heres one quick way to knock out about 1500 directories straight off the bat:
The Flower Test: Type the word flower into the search box on a directory. Check out the results. When you see an entire page of flower sites, all with the exact same description (except a city change, usually indian), you can bet your bottom dollar there aint any editing happening. What youll also then notice is the pagination down the bottom. Itll be something like [22]. Yup, 22 pages of almost exact duplicate spam. Youll see this on literally thousands of directories. These are what we consider NOT to be directories.
Because this article hasnt done something like that, the research is massively flawed. I would expect Google to be de-indexing sources of massive spam. Just because they use a directory script, and call themselves a directory, doesnt mean those of us in the industry consider them a directory, even if SEOs seem fooled by it.
On any given day on a forum like Digitalpoint, you can see half a dozen, to several hundred "directories" being announced. I saw a thread this week where someone posted 111 "directories". All using the same script, template, and similar domain-name style (they were actually not too bad the names so probably a good way to fool people) and all with zero content. Those get added to just about every directory list out there, and end up in SEOs workpiles - and its that practice which people should consider dangerous.
On a monthly basis I can work through around 500 directories and literally square it to about 10-15 in 5 seconds flat. From there those 10-15 would take further investigation after which you might be left with 2-3. To put that in perspective our list has added just 4 general free directories for 2012. Yes, just 4. Thats how few real ones there are being generated.
The thing about websites is that even those developed with the best intentions can disappear. Some of the best directories in terms of content, design and value have dropped off the radar over time because the owner has given up or chose to go in another direction in life.
What I would hope, from threads like this, is that people realise the value of the directory lists who work hard to maintain a quality database of listings --- rather than the multitude who rely simply on quantity. When supporting those lists it helps to identify any dead wood, changes or to announce any gems that you may have found.
I would hope too, that those same people respect the directories listed and submit to them in a way that improves upon their content and helps them to remain viable. Its the spamming element of the industry (largely due to shady SEO techniques) that ruins it for the rest of us.
A really interesting read! In my opinion, anyone that manages to get the word "nomenclature" into a blog post is an absolute hero. Congrats.
It was only a matter of time before this started to happen - Ive always been flummoxed by the existence of 99% of the web directories I find. The concept that the highest ranking site can be influenced by the amount of time someone goes round filling their information in on directory sites that will never actually be used by anyone other than SEOs is ridiculous, and completely contradicts Googles quest for relevancy.
I think after Googles Panda and Penguin Update, there will be one more algorithmic update which will focus on Directories which are used only for dofollow links and will not add any value to normal users. :)
I think after Googles Panda and Penguin Update, there will be one more algorithmic update which will focus on Directories which are used only for dofollow links and will not add any value to normal users. :)
So one more typical way of link building is going to die in near future. I guess inbound marketing will be only option for link building after few years. Basic intention of Google is, you should acquire the links by your Excellency, dont build it in easy way.
This is indeed a wakeup signal for those who are still selling the cheep directory submission services that their time is over now they have a choice to change or die!... at the same time this is the time for a customer/client to see what he is buying…
I still see many people asking for quantity of links and all, what they need to consider is quality is all that matters and this short term cheep game is not going to take them too far, especially when the Google animals are out of their cages.
Another example of Google taking a dump on small business and startups. Its a catch 22 that new sites wont get noticed without links and wont get links until they are noticed. Directories have been a great way for new websites to get some links and climb the ranks to get seen. Im sure in Googles world every link would be a well deserved editorial link, those may be easy for well known brands with a PR team but your every day small business only has a few options and those are getting smaller with each Google update.
But this is good for Google right? Havent they just managed to monetise the long tail keywords and make SEO so hard for small businesses and startups that their best way of competing is by buying adwords?
flashbangwhizz - small businesses can compete in the rankings by following ethical tactics such as writing good content, engaging in social media, guest blogging etc - it just takes more effort but is effective and, more importantly, sustainable. I have a number of clients who are proof of just that. Directories are far from the only places to get links.
You might want to read a post "Does An Ethical Approach to SEO Really Work?" http://www.webtrafficroi.com/does-an-ethical-approach-to-seo-really-work - the answer is Yes
But I am still wondering why we are still running behind these directories links… Google is smart enough to detect which links are belongs from what category, is links are from Directories (non content spam) or they belongs to forum or blog comments links. These links are easily caught able. So we must move on forget about these directory links and try to build share/link able content that will eventually lead us to lots of links without any link building effort.
In my opinion the era of cheep linking or cheap SEO is over and now we must think like a true marketer instead of trying to game with Google.
Google is probably just de-valuing the links coming from these banned or penalised directories, otherwise companies will start buying directory link packages for competitors. I havent seen a successful spam-link-bombing and I do hope it wont work with the upcoming Panda and Penguin updates.
Google is probably just de-valuing the links coming from these banned or penalised directories, otherwise companies will start buying directory link packages for competitors. I havent seen a successful spam-link-bombing and I do hope it wont work with the upcoming Panda and Penguin updates.
Thats my sense of it as well, Gyorgy - having links from these directories probably wont in and of itself get you penalized, theyre just not passing juice anymore.
Thats my sense of it as well, Gyorgy - having links from these directories probably wont in and of itself get you penalized, theyre just not passing juice anymore.
Nice post, I apreciate the analysis. The thing is but most of the low quality stuff will get deindxed, my guess is that some directories have also been hit hard for selling links on mass, I see this a fair bit.
Really interesting data which is further confirmation (not that any was needed) of Googles relentless assault on spam and its continuing fight to improve search quality.
At first sight, this looks like bad news for directories generally. It has to be bad news for the lower quality ones. But actually, I believe it could conceivably be good news for the better quality directories.
I think the most likely outcome is that the average quality of directories will be raised by a Darwinian survival of the fittest selection process (being a cull by Google).
As Cyrus mentioned though... Dont jump the boat & submit to every one of these unless you have a well-rounded, robust linking strategy ongoing.
Moderation and careful selection appear to be the key. Keep it as a small part of a larger strategy and I think it can add incremental value.
Moderation and careful selection appear to be the key. Keep it as a small part of a larger strategy and I think it can add incremental value.
Im still not convinced that they will play any part in the next two years as the world has moved on. As someone pointed out below the web removed the requirement for a directory, which only ever was the one place you could find a comprehensive list of suppliers for what you were looking for.
But if people want to continue to use them then the rule must be to think like an old time Marketer (that’ll be me then...) and ask yourself, if this was in print would I pay good money, either mine or the clients, to appear in it? Would it bring leads and business? Is it relevant? Do my potential customers use it? Would it drive an ROI? Would I be likely to renew it? And finally are there better sources for driving leads?
OK, so we were probably all guilty of it a few years back, but that was a completely different era, SEOs still mass building directory links should have a serious think about what they are doing.
I am one of those that use the correct techniques to get sites noticed. Unique articles, directory submissions that are actually related to the sector I am working in, social media posts that again are correctly targeted.
My problem is that I am penalised by those out there that spam the directory sites and submit shockingly soun articles that make no sense what so ever!
Isnt it time we actually started to work with Google rather than try and bypass that algo??? Im not sure, but what I do know is that as long as Google can see that I am doing good work I hope they will reward me.........or am I just being too optimistic?!
What an awesome little analysis Kurt. Thats a great trick to finding out which directories have gotten penalties by the recent Google updates, and which ones have weathered the storm. I actually tried your method today when analyzing two link profiles of competitors in the same vertical, and it worked phenomenally. Also to echo what another "Mozzer" commented up there, digging through the profile to find any directories with "Free/Links/PageRank/etc" is a good start to remove some damaging links (even if they were from a previous SEO :p )
What an awesome little analysis Kurt. Thats a great trick to finding out which directories have gotten penalties by the recent Google updates, and which ones have weathered the storm. I actually tried your method today when analyzing two link profiles of competitors in the same vertical, and it worked phenomenally. Also to echo what another "Mozzer" commented up there, digging through the profile to find any directories with "Free/Links/PageRank/etc" is a good start to remove some damaging links (even if they were from a previous SEO :p )
Great Job... Kurtis .. Hope the same from you in future. as very helpful information.
Great Job... Kurtis .. Hope the same from you in future. as very helpful information.
Good work. This kind of data driven research is really helpful. I also like to thank Cyrus for his good advice.
My French Article directory website have been penalized by Google on 20th of May. I changed the Three link with seo anchor to nofollow and i left only one link in dofollow with no SEO anchor... and since a week i made a 301 redirection to a new sub-domain = I come back in the SERPs in my best position :)
This is some solid info. I think it shows the importance of balancing your link building efforts to include multiple channels and not just going for the low hanging fruit. I guess its time to take the advise of all those math teachers and double check my work. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
This is some solid info. I think it shows the importance of balancing your link building efforts to include multiple channels and not just going for the low hanging fruit. I guess its time to take the advise of all those math teachers and double check my work. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Has anyone had experience with the Disavow tool. Is it worth checking out. Nice article and love the strategy
I am still wondering why we need to submit on these kind of directories even if they are indexed ?!? what sort of values they carry?!!? we have stopped Directory Submission Completely .. Instead of that We only submit our customer sites on Business Directory / Classfieds & Review Sites.. it is meaning less to spend $ on 5000 Submission instead of that we try to create muliple social signals which may overtake directory links somehow..
I did somewhat same research for my clients some 15 days back. Instead of considering any directory list , I checked my clients baclinks & used them as list. I marked down penlaised websites the same way you did. Now I have forwarded that to my link building team to remove those marked links, but I am not sure how successful link removal task will be.
As mentioned by James, submit to only high quality directories like Yahoo or Dmoz, but as always be diverse in your link building and not just stick to submitting links.
Kurtis, Excellent research but sometimes if site is new and that PA, DA not updated then? Second first two point checking is must i.e, site: and site shows with there domain name.
You take 2600 poor quality websites and what do you expect to find, directories are not directories they will get banned or removed. Sounds like Google is simply doing what it is supposed to do. Saying it is just directories seem a bit ignorant to me and harmful to quality directories that are certainly not penalized.
It is common that more than 10% directories are closed in a year as site owner has problems like funds, server issues or un viable project
It is common that more than 10% directories are closed in a year as site owner has problems like funds, server issues or un viable project
The post makes a great point and one that I find many small businesses (and probably large) simply dont understand. I have a couple of clients I found out were submitting to directories in their spare time. Its cringe-worthy.
Great Post. Thank you very much for sharing such a wonderful post. Its certainly an eye opener. Love that list of spammed/de-indexed directories.
I think it is best to register only for the highest quality directories and then focus efforts on other places so that you have link diversity. I think the key is to have link diversity and make sure you are not registering for a low quality directory.
I think it is best to register only for the highest quality directories and then focus efforts on other places so that you have link diversity. I think the key is to have link diversity and make sure you are not registering for a low quality directory.
Intersting post Kurtis. This is good work, and thanks for letting us know :-)
Thanks for the informative posts. There was a couple of surprises (like Pegasus directory) but overall it seems very similar to the last 4-5 years. There are definitely crappy directories out there but I do not believe taht 20% of them are banned or penalized
While trying to figure out whether a directory has been penalized or not, do not rely 100 percent on title tag search since there are reasons for the directory not being displayed in the top of search results without its being penalized.
1. There is a site other than the directory in question having the same html title tag (100 %) and is stronger by any other metrics Google deems to be relevant.
2. There is a site other than the directory in question having pretty much similar html title tag (80-90 %, meaning that the tag contains the same words but not limited to them) and is MUCH stronger than the directory by appropriate Google metrics.
3. There is a site other than the directory in question having somewhat similar tag (50 % similarity, meaning all the words that the search query contains are present in this title but in a different order; the title not being limited to these words), in this case a document that beats the directory in the search results should really be A WAY-WAY STRONGER by Google metrics.
What it all boils down to is use the title tag test depending on how generic the words in the title are. I do not know whether there are different levels of site being penalized, but I have witnessed sites not popping out in the first ten results (though they still were in the index) even performing a search query consisting of the exact domain of a site. Thats what I call "penalized"!
Great information! This is exactly the type of knowledge that an active SEOer needs to not waste time on. We all know that SEO work is already very time consuming, so anything that helps us not bark up the wrong tree is great. Affordable SEO plans require the best knowledge, thanks SEOmoz for helping me keep my costs down!
I have been looking for a good list of directories. I appreciate your time.
I have spent a lot of time looking for quality directories to list my business also. One useful source is directorycritic.com, though you want to try to get the ones with the best page rank. Does anyone know of some better sources?
I have spent a lot of time looking for quality directories to list my business also. One useful source is directorycritic.com, though you want to try to get the ones with the best page rank. Does anyone know of some better sources?
I was added in the directory from past two months but I have not read this article till today.But after the study of this article, I am literally shocked and now for my seo submissions , i am using all your strategies to check the penalized or blocked websites before submit in to it. I found here very very important info to maintain my websites. Two of my websites has lost their rankings in the search engines So I think may be due to this?Anyways Thanks for such awesome info:) but Sir I need one more help from you that shall i check the available backlinks of website and remove from there.
I was added in the directory from past two months but I have not read this article till today.But after the study of this article, I am literally shocked and now for my seo submissions , i am using all your strategies to check the penalized or blocked websites before submit in to it.
I found here very very important info to maintain my websites. Two of my websites has lost their rankings in the search engines So I think may be due to this?
Anyways Thanks for such awesome info:) but Sir I need one more help from you that shall i check the available backlinks of website and remove from there.
I am so lost with Googles rules. So we need backlinks to improve page visibility, but websites can not list paid links - or appear as paid links - to pass link juice. Some directories require payment, which should then use the rel=nofollow, which defeats the purpose of paying to appear in the directory.Most directories I and I am sure others list their websites in only for the purpose of building up backlinks. As a user I rarely visit directories, and assume a bulk of websites receive minimal amounts of traffic from the free directories.I understand Googles efforts since previously anyone with the money to create as many backlinks and/or links from high page rank websites as possible could have a higher page rank. This may also cause all the unnecessary or non-innovated websites to disappear. However, all this seems like it is leading to push Google Adwords being the only source to legally advertise your links.
I am so lost with Googles rules. So we need backlinks to improve page visibility, but websites can not list paid links - or appear as paid links - to pass link juice. Some directories require payment, which should then use the rel=nofollow, which defeats the purpose of paying to appear in the directory.
Most directories I and I am sure others list their websites in only for the purpose of building up backlinks. As a user I rarely visit directories, and assume a bulk of websites receive minimal amounts of traffic from the free directories.
I understand Googles efforts since previously anyone with the money to create as many backlinks and/or links from high page rank websites as possible could have a higher page rank. This may also cause all the unnecessary or non-innovated websites to disappear. However, all this seems like it is leading to push Google Adwords being the only source to legally advertise your links.
I am a newbie and I came to this thread while searching directories. I am feeling a little horrified by the thread with the thought that the information may apply to my new search engine submission website. I just bought the website and it will be transferred to me tomorrow :
I performed a simple "quotation" search on the website you recently purchased, and it doesnt look like it has been penalized or banned. Keep in mind that directories with a clear niche or ones that have a very active moderator are far more likely to have value.
I performed a simple "quotation" search on the website you recently purchased, and it doesnt look like it has been penalized or banned.
Keep in mind that directories with a clear niche or ones that have a very active moderator are far more likely to have value.
I have a directory submission service http://www.LinkDirectorySubmissions.com . I have been reading in blogs if there is a real benefit submitting to link directories. I want to be sure that my clients get the best SEO results I can give them and this issue really concerns me. I have removed the banned/penalized directories you show on the list from my database, thanks for posting the list. All the directories in my database are free submissions and my program does not mass submit. A website profile is created by the user and the system loads each directory page-by-page and the user skips or submits to the them.My question is if the system I have in place would be beneficial for search engine optimization still?
I have a directory submission service http://www.LinkDirectorySubmissions.com .
I have been reading in blogs if there is a real benefit submitting to link directories. I want to be sure that my clients get the best SEO results I can give them and this issue really concerns me.
I have removed the banned/penalized directories you show on the list from my database, thanks for posting the list. All the directories in my database are free submissions and my program does not mass submit. A website profile is created by the user and the system loads each directory page-by-page and the user skips or submits to the them.
My question is if the system I have in place would be beneficial for search engine optimization still?
I read articles like these and I agree, it would make sense to consider many directories spam but I still see websites with high rankings that are submitted to a bunch of directories. I think it is more that the results are not as great or that there are significant, diminishing returns. At least with the industries I work with, directories appear to be viable just expensive.
I read articles like these and I agree, it would make sense to consider many directories spam but I still see websites with high rankings that are submitted to a bunch of directories. I think it is more that the results are not as great or that there are significant, diminishing returns. At least with the industries I work with, directories appear to be viable just expensive.
Thanks for the useful article i think i make a blunder to submitting website to directories now first check some directories before submitting. I think Seo Quake Tools help us to find better directories because seo quake tools shows lot of detail and we easily see that those directories are index or not. Am i right.
Thanks for the useful article i think i make a blunder to submitting website to directories now first check some directories before submitting. I think Seo Quake Tools help us to find better directories because seo quake tools shows lot of detail and we easily see that those directories are index or not. Am i right.
I dont think submissions are in any danger as long as you have strict parameters to judge the directories: to see if they are indexed, they dot belong to the same ip address also the links shouldnt have a rel=nofollow tag on them, shouldnt be a META nofollow or noindex tag on the link pages and so on...
I dont think submissions are in any danger as long as you have strict parameters to judge the directories: to see if they are indexed, they dot belong to the same ip address also the links shouldnt have a rel=nofollow tag on them, shouldnt be a META nofollow or noindex tag on the link pages and so on...
You need to re-check your stats. I went through your database using a bulk pagerank checker and some of the ones you said were PR "error" etc actually had good PR. So, either your tool wasnt working properly or perhaps they rapidly bounced back through some change of tactics. Either way, the headline I found somewhat misleading.
You need to re-check your stats. I went through your database using a bulk pagerank checker and some of the ones you said were PR "error" etc actually had good PR. So, either your tool wasnt working properly or perhaps they rapidly bounced back through some change of tactics.
Either way, the headline I found somewhat misleading.
I wish Google would just wipe out the directories they find manipulative, en masse. Im sure manys the innocent website owner has submitted to an SEO focussed directory, or 50, quite simply because they didnt know any better.
Also, re: directory suggestions mentioned above. If a website owner submitted to a directory which was subsequently penalised, where would the liability be exactly?
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Forgive me if I missed the answer. can anyone please answer this question.....If you submit articles to article directories for link building...Are they now considered SPAM???THANKS!!!
Forgive me if I missed the answer. can anyone please answer this question.....If you submit articles to article directories for link building...Are they now considered SPAM???
THANKS!!!
It depends on the directory. In general I would say that submitting articles to article directories is not a tactic thats going to be worth the time and risk involved. There are a ton of more-productive ways to get links to your site - and theyll be the type of links that people actually see and click, as opposed to just links for links sake. I recommend Mike Kings post The Noobs Guide to Link Building for some great tips: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-noob-guide-to-link-building Hope that helps!
It depends on the directory. In general I would say that submitting articles to article directories is not a tactic thats going to be worth the time and risk involved. There are a ton of more-productive ways to get links to your site - and theyll be the type of links that people actually see and click, as opposed to just links for links sake. I recommend Mike Kings post The Noobs Guide to Link Building for some great tips: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-noob-guide-to-link-building Hope that helps!
Hmm - Well, I kind of always thought this would happen. Ive used directories on addurl.nu before, and theyve always been pretty awesome. But directory submission was always about 5% of it all. The rest was all the right stuff! Im much more interested these days in building relationships + awesome content to facilitate powerful links from authoritative web properties.
Hmm - Well, I kind of always thought this would happen. Ive used directories on addurl.nu before, and theyve always been pretty awesome. But directory submission was always about 5% of it all. The rest was all the right stuff! Im much more interested these days in building relationships + awesome content to facilitate powerful links from authoritative web properties.
I apreciate the research.befour panda update all people are doing Directry submission but after Googles Panda and Penguin Update every body have one question Directory submission Danger or not ? please give me suggestion......
I would avoid submitting to directories as a link building technique. If you believe that people might use the directory to find and use your site, that is a better reason to submit to directories. If the directory is high quality, curated by people, and useful to users, it will probably still be OK to submit - but make sure directories arent the only place youre getting links.
I would avoid submitting to directories as a link building technique. If you believe that people might use the directory to find and use your site, that is a better reason to submit to directories. If the directory is high quality, curated by people, and useful to users, it will probably still be OK to submit - but make sure directories arent the only place youre getting links.
So, how do you go about getting links removed from these directories?
Formadan, the point is, you should not HAVE to. If a search engine wants to devalue the links from sites like that, they can. But to tell webmasters that they must actively go out and have those links removed to improve their ranking and link profile is the tipping point for negative SEO.
If Google says, your site will not recover until you remove these links over here, I, or anyone, can easily make it so you "NEVER" recover by going out and making more of those links for you without your knowledge or consent. As long as we make them faster than you can remove them, you lose.
It is easy enough for a search engine to saimply say this particular link style, directories, footers, blog rolls, in content, inforgrahic, widget, guest blogging, article sharing, anything, is no longer something that will help your website from this point forward. And from there we have a new guideline and we move forward knowing that some past effort is now devalued and that same effort in the future will never help. But asking webmasters to fix the algo by making them go out and remove links from the internet is simply silly.
"...asking webmasters to fix the algo by making them go out and remove links from the internet is simply silly."Not to mention, often difficult to accomplish. Especially if youre trying to do so faster than some asshat can throw them at you.
I have to heartily agree with the sentiment that just saying they are heavily (or even totally) devalued will be enough to make the problem go away. To me, that makes even more sense than giving webmasters a way to request that Google ignore specific links... which would, I suspect, add a significant human workload to Googles plate.
I dont think removing directory links is necessary as long as theyre part of a reasonable mix of other link types - if all of your links are from directories, a.) that sends a pretty clear signal to Google that youre not acquiring natural links from other sources, which they encourage and b.) when they stop working, youre out of luck. You havent been penalized as such, its just that everything you were doing stopped working.
Rather than stressing out about removing every link youve ever placed in a directory, I would focus that same time and energy into improving your site and building new, high-quality links. The possibility for negative SEO is too high for Google to simply ignore - theyll have to adapt their policy/algorithm to discount rather than penalize for a certain amount of low-quality links as long as everything else looks fine. I dont work at Google so I cant say thats a proven fact, but its just common sense.
Now days every seo team should spend more time on research like you did here. Instead of blind submissions, spend times on creating quality contents which will be shared, liked by many people.
You have done a great work. We are working on the articles sites and preparing a list of quality sites after the updates. The stpes are same as you have applied for this bunch of directories, but a bit more steps we have added. like:
After all, we believe in a great content creation by putting our all effort instead of searching sites to submission. Distribution of the content in a proper place will give you huge amount of visitors and some quality back links. A great example: Like you created this content, go to your analytic today you will find a healthy amount of visitors today.
Good News for White hats SEO’s. All black hats SEO are banned to one more time for the site of Google Penguin. If you are hits any directories to checkout it’s relevant or irreverent. It’s come to another Googles Panda and Penguin updates to find out the use bad directories. Be careful to use directories.
Sorry for the beginner question but does it matter if my site has been submitted to 2500 directories and then 500 of those get either banned or penalized? Then do I still have 2000 valid links left? Can the links from the banned or penalized directories hurt my site? (If so, then Google has opened the door to snadbagging your competitors by simply submitting their URL to these free banned/penalized directories).
Sorry for the beginner question but does it matter if my site has been submitted to 2500 directories and then 500 of those get either banned or penalized? Then do I still have 2000 valid links left? Can the links from the banned or penalized directories hurt my site? (If so, then Google has opened the door to snadbagging your competitors by simply submitting their URL to these free banned/penalized directories).
I dont think they will hurt your site per se but they just wont pass any juice onto your site. Dont go nuts removing links, just work on building some high quality links from relevent sites, from my experience a good PR6+ link is worth about 100 PR2 links.
I dont think they will hurt your site per se but they just wont pass any juice onto your site. Dont go nuts removing links, just work on building some high quality links from relevent sites, from my experience a good PR6+ link is worth about 100 PR2 links.
This is really good post about the directory submission and banned and penilized directories. Most of people will just use the list and submit the site in directory. But Now I have to check my directory list and update them. Submitting the banned directory is cause big problem to site.
This is really good post about the directory submission and banned and penilized directories. Most of people will just use the list and submit the site in directory. But Now I have to check my directory list and update them. Submitting the banned directory is cause big problem to site.
I think that directory submission is still important, I see a lot of well ranking sites with the majority of their links coming from niche directories. I am not saying this is a good link building strategy but it is something to consider.
Thanks for the update! I have a question. I have a directory on Peguas Directory. I see its been banned/pentalized. Does that mean the link has just been devalued? Does this penalize my site?
One link on one banned directory probably wont make or break you. The best strategy to avoid penalties for directory links is to build a larger volume of high-quality, non-directory links - that way Google can see that the occasional bad link isnt representative of your link profile as a whole.
One link on one banned directory probably wont make or break you. The best strategy to avoid penalties for directory links is to build a larger volume of high-quality, non-directory links - that way Google can see that the occasional bad link isnt representative of your link profile as a whole.
About time someone posted about this. I am glad I was skeptical about SeoMozs directory list. I had done my own research for one of the directories just like you did (above) and it was clearly penalized.
Do you even need that research? No offense to the site owner but seriously, just look at the front page of the site and it clearly looks amateur and it doesnt really look like a reputable directory.
Thanks for the information...Its time to take care of all backlink building methods
One of the single most useful articles Ive read in a while! Good job - really interesting.
I have noticed the spreadsheet has a bunch of errors in the page rank column that, when you hover on them, say "too many requests in too short a time" - if you wait for it to pull in all of the data before clicking on anything, everything should be peachy. If not, you will get an error.
I have noticed the spreadsheet has a bunch of errors in the page rank column that, when you hover on them, say "too many requests in too short a time" - if you wait for it to pull in all of the data before clicking on anything, everything should be peachy. If not, you will get an error.
Excellent Post and very well analized by you, but i thought the directories are still helpful for SEO, yeah it is right that some spamming directories penalized by Google.
Excellent Post and very well analized by you, but i thought the directories are still helpful for SEO, yeah it is right that some spamming directories penalized by Google.
www.directorywide.com is another example that appears to have been penalised. The homepage still has toolbar PR6, but all category pages have no toolbar PR, and in search the site behaves similarly to the Pegasus example above.
Does this mark the beginning of the end of the efficacy of paid directory links? There are a lot of large corporate organisations who seem to rely heavily on these high PR, pay-per-play featured directory links.
Interesting that you note this wave of deindexing/penalties appears to be manual, too - there certainly appears to be no real pattern to those that have been hit, and there are almost identical directories still untouched.
My sense of it is that this manual slap is a warning from Google that low-quality directory links are on their way out. It may just be a stopgap to start solving the problem before a more sophisticated algorithmic fix is in place.
High-quality directory listings can definitely still be useful, especially if actual real people are actually seeing them and clicking on them and then giving you money in exchange for goods and/or services. Paid directory listing in general arent going to pass much juice since its pretty obvious theyre paid.
Kurtis - apologies for causing confusion. The directory I mentioned isnt on the list you researched, but is on another list I have of directories which are known to be used by top brands for their juice giving potential.
Kurtis - apologies for causing confusion. The directory I mentioned isnt on the list you researched, but is on another list I have of directories which are known to be used by top brands for their juice giving potential.
Thanks so much for this, I will see if there are a couple of deirectories that are applicable, but I would refrain from a mass sign up, many of these look super dodgy which is my new page rank!
Wow was this timely or what http://www.seomoz.org/q/joeant-hotvsnot-post-penguin
All of these changes are making we very worried that someone can just go and in a second get my site penalized. Google is walking a tight line IMO.
Im spending a large chunk of my day getting rid of bad directories. Takes time, but worth it in the future.
How are you getting rid of bad directories.. Using the Google Disavow tool?
I have gone with all replies and thanks to share valuable points. I still worry if a high page rank website penalized, then how to rectify the quality directory websites. If we only use paid directories, then I dont think its worthy and impossible to manage for each website owner. So I just know that we only use high pr directories or niche directories in our portfolio and how to judge that this website is not penalized and worthy for my website?
I have gone with all replies and thanks to share valuable points. I still worry if a high page rank website penalized, then how to rectify the quality directory websites. If we only use paid directories, then I dont think its worthy and impossible to manage for each website owner. So I just know that we only use high pr directories or niche directories in our portfolio and how to judge that this website is not penalized and worthy for my website?
As Ewan mentions below, PR isnt necessarily the best way to evaluate a directory. Really you should be looking at what the most useful directories are to users. A person can pretty easily tell if a directory is built for people or just to make money. Paid-inclusion directories are not a good strategy for link building, since paid links dont pass link juice (and if they do, theyll get caught and be penalized). My rule of thumb is: if a person would use the directory and find it useful and come to your site, thats great, but dont ever submit to directories just for the link.
As Ewan mentions below, PR isnt necessarily the best way to evaluate a directory. Really you should be looking at what the most useful directories are to users. A person can pretty easily tell if a directory is built for people or just to make money. Paid-inclusion directories are not a good strategy for link building, since paid links dont pass link juice (and if they do, theyll get caught and be penalized). My rule of thumb is: if a person would use the directory and find it useful and come to your site, thats great, but dont ever submit to directories just for the link.
So...what is the verdict on the Yahoo directory, Business.com etc....OK to use? I hope so because I just applied (and was accepted) to the Yahoo directory for one of my sites.
So...what is the verdict on the Yahoo directory, Business.com etc....OK to use? I hope so because I just applied (and was accepted) to the Yahoo directory for one of my sites.
The Yahoo directory and Business.com are fine to use, but neither should be considered a link building technique. Since they are both paid-inclusion directories, they do not pass link juice. They can still be a good way to drive traffic to your site, though.
The Yahoo directory and Business.com are fine to use, but neither should be considered a link building technique. Since they are both paid-inclusion directories, they do not pass link juice. They can still be a good way to drive traffic to your site, though.
Thanks for the pitch, it just helped me realize a couple of mistakes and idea of resolving. But please refresh Page Rank of Moz list. Cuz my run pointed about 80% filtered (no PR bar)
Thanks for the pitch, it just helped me realize a couple of mistakes and idea of resolving. But please refresh Page Rank of Moz list. Cuz my run pointed about 80% filtered (no PR bar)
Its good to see these directories get penalized. If think that youre right that "directories do not provide any benefit to users".
Its good to see these directories get penalized. If think that youre right that "directories do not provide any benefit to users".
Yes kurtis, link building is one important aspect in SEO because it is fuel of any website, but not the way you should keep doing such soirt of shady link building!
Yes kurtis, link building is one important aspect in SEO because it is fuel of any website, but not the way you should keep doing such soirt of shady link building!
Ive seen a few comments in this thread referring to high page rank directories. I think its worth mentioning (for those to whom it isnt already obvious - so veterans, please ignore!) that it can be risky to use PR as a method of evaluation (if taken in isolation of other factors) because there are quite a few scams out there.
Ive seen directories that have home page PR6 and inner pages with PR5 that have been created overnight to make money without any genuine intent to create a useful directory.
does this mean that directory submissions are of no use these days what kind of link building strategy should a seo person implement i am talking about external links i read some where that even article site links are now of now value after penguin update
does this mean that directory submissions are of no use these days what kind of link building strategy should a seo person implement i am talking about external links i read some where that even article site links are now of now value after penguin update
For some awesome link building tips, I recommend Mike Kings excellent blog post "The Noob Guide to Link Building," which can be found here: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-noob-guide-to-link-building
For some awesome link building tips, I recommend Mike Kings excellent blog post "The Noob Guide to Link Building," which can be found here: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-noob-guide-to-link-building
Nice research Kurtis - I think the key is to diversify your links
Good Analysis Kurtis, when i check my back links I also realise so many Directory and Social Bookmarking site even local Directory and business listing site with 5 or 7 PR are Penalized/Banned By GoogleWe Check Using site:www.xyz.com and no result found its Penalized
Good Analysis Kurtis, when i check my back links I also realise so many Directory and Social Bookmarking site even local Directory and business listing site with 5 or 7 PR are Penalized/Banned By GoogleWe Check Using site:www.xyz.com and no result found its Penalized
The author who has written article has used another post as reference which was published at http://www.seroundtable.com/google-directory-removal-15151.html where the author of that post has mentioned that he could not find the directory http://global-web-directory.org/ and thus has expressed his concern.
It seems that the owner of the directory has tried to find his directory the very next day of creation but could not find in Google. When he could not find that he made that post of got that post made by Barry Schwartz. Not only that, he has used this great platform for promoting this directory name I suspect.
I have checked and found that the directory http://global-web-directory.org/ has 362 indexed pages.[as on June 1, 2012, at 4:46 AM PDT]
This whole idea that web directories are "paid links" is not true for every directory out there.Yahoo is charging $299/year for a listing. BOTW isnt? Why isnt Google ban them? Because they list valuable resources.Yes, I wont submit ever my website(s) to directories where every second listed website is "the best", "premium", "leading" in his niche. Those directories yes, should be banned completely.But there are other directories that are valuable resources for their users (and search engines). Now, there is one thing people should understand. No one lives with air. Everything costs, from hosting, to marketing and development. How can someone stay in front of his PC few hours a day and "enjoy" editing titles and descriptions, check out random websites?So, that review fee... is a review fee. I mean, Ill open your website and decide if Im going to include it or not in my directory. Thats it.
This whole idea that web directories are "paid links" is not true for every directory out there.
Yahoo is charging $299/year for a listing. BOTW isnt? Why isnt Google ban them? Because they list valuable resources.
Yes, I wont submit ever my website(s) to directories where every second listed website is "the best", "premium", "leading" in his niche. Those directories yes, should be banned completely.
But there are other directories that are valuable resources for their users (and search engines). Now, there is one thing people should understand. No one lives with air. Everything costs, from hosting, to marketing and development. How can someone stay in front of his PC few hours a day and "enjoy" editing titles and descriptions, check out random websites?
So, that review fee... is a review fee. I mean, Ill open your website and decide if Im going to include it or not in my directory. Thats it.
Congratulation for your 1st post. and Thanks for sharing knowledgeable data. I appreciate your post. it is such a good study and research.
Congratulation for your 1st post. and Thanks for sharing knowledgeable data. I appreciate your post. it is such a good study and research.
Now lot of directory deindex by search engine. Then how we can check the penalize directory. How search engine give the value of any Direct. ? Like I have 2 Directory directory A abd Directory B both have same PR and same panding list. Now how I selet the best directory for batter ranking.
Now lot of directory deindex by search engine. Then how we can check the penalize directory. How search engine give the value of any Direct. ? Like I have 2 Directory directory A abd Directory B both have same PR and same panding list. Now how I selet the best directory for batter ranking.
Why Directries penalized! Bull Shit to who started penlizing directories. It make greater work. Checking one by one directries is not in my pocket. Any time any directory can be penalized. Do need to check Directory every month?
If you cant get old directory links removed, dont worry too much. Just spend some time building some high-quality non-directory links to your site. If you have directory links pointing to your site, make sure theyre a small percentage of your overall inbound links and you should be fine.
If you cant get old directory links removed, dont worry too much. Just spend some time building some high-quality non-directory links to your site. If you have directory links pointing to your site, make sure theyre a small percentage of your overall inbound links and you should be fine.
To be Honest! I am also one of them. I was never visit any Directory site to get any type of help or Info. I going to submit my data on that sites.
Excellent Research. Thanks for sharing the directories.
Hi, I represent Directory Maximizer, one of the sites mentioned out here as the source of the directory list. Id like to clarify that we do audit all our directories before theyre on our list and do check to see if theyre indexed and cached by Google. Our list can be seen here which also shows the indexed pages of each directory: http://www.directorymaximizer.com/seo-friendly-directories.php (also mentioned are the criteria we use for our directory selection).
I do agree that directories might not hold the same value as earlier. However, we offer this service because we see results when its used in conjunction with other link building methods. Example, we have seen sites with established backlink profiles ranking for terms that they "exclusively" use with directory submissions.
Anyway its just something to consider. Moreover, weve also realised that general directory submissions can only offer value up to a certain extent and thats why have begun focussing on custom sourced industry specific (niche) directories and select paid directories as well.
About the list put up, we just wanted to be sure & hence did a manual re-check & found that amongst the 195 listed directories mentioned as de-indexed, 96 were actually indexed & out of the remaining 99, 44 had issues with the site opening. More details in this Google Doc - http://bit.ly/JRMcTE. However, this is not to take away any credit from the research done above. It’s good for everyone to be aware that sites they get links from (whether they’re directories or not) can be de-indexed and hence it is important to not focus only on any one particular tactic to build links. Link diversification is important.
After going through the list (using the search methods mentioned in the post) of 195 directories that you provided, we found that 90 have been deindexed/banned, 76 have been penalized, and 27 have not been negatively impacted.
18 Ekim 2013 Cuma
Rehau ile Pvc Pencere ve Kış Bahçesi Sistemleri
Alman Pvc devi REHAU'nun pvc pencere ve kış bahçesi sistemleriyle hem olumsuz hava koşullarında korunun hem de estetik bir görünüm elde edin. Yüksek ısı yalıtımı konusunda kalite ve güven arıyorsanız REHAU ürünlerini mutlaka inceleyin. Türkiye'deki iklim koşullarında dayanıklı, uzun ömürlü ve yalıtımda tasarruf sağlayan pvc pencere ve kış bahçesi sistemleri üreten REHAU ile sizde aldığınız hizmetten memnun kalın.
REHAU pencere konusunda almış olduğu sertifikalar ve başarı belgeleriyle sektördeki yerini korumaktadır.
REHAU pvc özellikleri
Isı Yalıtımı: Uf = 1,3 W/m²K (standart destek sacları ile)
Isı Yalıtımı: Özel ısı köprüsü kırılmış destek sacı ile Uf = 1,2 W/m²K
Ses Yalıtımı: Ses yalıtım sınıfı 5 (VDI 2719)
Hava/Su Yalıtımı: Yalıtım Sınıfı C (DIN 18055)
REHAU kış bahçeleri yaşam alanınızın genişlemesine ve evinizle doğanın birleşmesini sağlar. Modern kış bahçeleriyle ısı yalıtımını ve estetik görünüm birleştirilmiştir.
REHAU pencere konusunda almış olduğu sertifikalar ve başarı belgeleriyle sektördeki yerini korumaktadır.
REHAU pvc özellikleri
Isı Yalıtımı: Uf = 1,3 W/m²K (standart destek sacları ile)
Isı Yalıtımı: Özel ısı köprüsü kırılmış destek sacı ile Uf = 1,2 W/m²K
Ses Yalıtımı: Ses yalıtım sınıfı 5 (VDI 2719)
Hava/Su Yalıtımı: Yalıtım Sınıfı C (DIN 18055)
REHAU kış bahçeleri yaşam alanınızın genişlemesine ve evinizle doğanın birleşmesini sağlar. Modern kış bahçeleriyle ısı yalıtımını ve estetik görünüm birleştirilmiştir.
Evinizi ve İş yerinizi Soğuk Havalardan Koruyun!
Günümüzde her hava koşuluna göre pvc pencere ve kapı
sistemleri üretilmektedir. Soğuk ve sıcak havalarda evinizin ve iş yerinizin
pencere, kapı sistemlerinin iyi olması maliyette tasarruf etmenizi sağlıyor.
Dayanıklı, estetik ve tasarruflu pvc pencere sistemleriyle sizi ve cebinizi
ısıtacak pvc pencereyi alın. Pakpen ile yalıtımda %40 oranında tasarruf
sağlayabilirsiniz.
?Pakpen Pencere ve Kapı Sistemlerindeki önemli
konumunu aşağıda almış olduğu belgeleriyle de ispatlamıştır.?
Pakpen in ISO 9001:2008 ve ISO
14001:2004 Yönetim Sistemi belgeleri bulunuyor. TS, TSEC, GOST, DVGW, RAL,
INSTA ürün belgelerine sahip Pakpen?in ürettiği tüm ürünler AB normlarında
olup, CE işaretine sahiptir.
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Google yerler (haritalar) sağlar sahipleri cevap değerlendirmeden edinildi
Yesterday, Google announced that verified business owners can reply to reviews left on their Google Places (Maps) pages. Google of course set up some ground rules and provided instructions on how to reply to reviews. Like me, I bet most people wont read them fully before replying.I decided to reply to a review on my business listing:I clicked on respond publicly as business owner:
I typed in my message:
I hit post:
As you can see, you can always edit or delete your response.Forum discussion at Google Maps Help.
$15 -- Urgent: "buy tickets here" buttonGoogle is ranking IP address instead of the URL :(
I typed in my message:I hit post:As you can see, you can always edit or delete your response.Forum discussion at Google Maps Help.$15 -- Urgent: "buy tickets here" buttonGoogle is ranking IP address instead of the URL :(
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Google Haritalar 3D proje için tatlı sanat tarafından BrandsGYM.com. Bu yeni bir resim değil ama güzel bulduğum bir şey ve o gün sütun bizim arama resim paylaşmak istedim. BrandsGym.com at daha fazla bilgi bulabilirsiniz.Rapor: Mikroskop plan çerez ReplacementFirefox gemileri izleme daha fazla dünya pazarları içine OS 1.1 güncelleştirildi.
2 Yetenekli yazarlar WorkForum Upload-e doğru Cpanel gerekmez eklentileri ile Lots için gerekir.
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Emekspor Nike, Adidas, Online Alışveriş
Emekspor.com ; online shop sistemi ile Adidas ve Nike gibi dev markaların spor ürünlerini e- ticaret alanında avantajlı indirimlerle kullanıcılarına sunan, perakende mağazacılıkla ilişkisini koparmamış, emekspor.com sitesi dışında 9 mağaza zinciri ile hizmet sunan kaliteli, güvenilir ve kurumsal bir firmadır.
Özellikle Adidas ayakkabı ürünlerinde ve Nike ayakkabı ürünlerinde, sezon sonu ürünlerini
büyük indirimlerle kullanıcılarına sunar. Bir Adidas Outlet veya Nike Outlet storelarında bulabileceğiniz tüm ürünleri emekspor.com’da daha avantajlı indirimlerle bulabilirsiniz. 15 gün içinde iade ve değişim garantisi ,Telefon Destek Hattı ve Online Canlı Destek imkanlarıyla güvenirliliğini ve müşteri hizmetleri servislerini kanıtlamış olan Emekspor.com, , spor giyim ve malzemeleri alanında hizmet veren Türkiye’nin önde gelen markalarından biridir. Adidas indirimlerini, Nike indirimlerini ve diğer kaliteli spor markalarının indirimli ürünlerini takip etmek isteyen kullanıcıların sıkça uğradığı bir site olan emekspor.com, Emekspor kalitesi ve adı altında barındırdığı %100 orijinal ürünleri , anlaşmalı bankaların kredi kartlarına uygun taksitlerle veya kapıda ödeme seçeneği ile kullanıcılarına sunuyor. Üstelik 100 TL üzeri alışverişlerinizde kargo ücreti de talep etmiyor.
Site Adresi : www.emekspor.com
Özellikle Adidas ayakkabı ürünlerinde ve Nike ayakkabı ürünlerinde, sezon sonu ürünlerini
büyük indirimlerle kullanıcılarına sunar. Bir Adidas Outlet veya Nike Outlet storelarında bulabileceğiniz tüm ürünleri emekspor.com’da daha avantajlı indirimlerle bulabilirsiniz. 15 gün içinde iade ve değişim garantisi ,Telefon Destek Hattı ve Online Canlı Destek imkanlarıyla güvenirliliğini ve müşteri hizmetleri servislerini kanıtlamış olan Emekspor.com, , spor giyim ve malzemeleri alanında hizmet veren Türkiye’nin önde gelen markalarından biridir. Adidas indirimlerini, Nike indirimlerini ve diğer kaliteli spor markalarının indirimli ürünlerini takip etmek isteyen kullanıcıların sıkça uğradığı bir site olan emekspor.com, Emekspor kalitesi ve adı altında barındırdığı %100 orijinal ürünleri , anlaşmalı bankaların kredi kartlarına uygun taksitlerle veya kapıda ödeme seçeneği ile kullanıcılarına sunuyor. Üstelik 100 TL üzeri alışverişlerinizde kargo ücreti de talep etmiyor.
Site Adresi : www.emekspor.com
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SMX İsrail: 15 Ocak 2012 Kudüs - şimdi kaydetmek için kayıt
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